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		<title>The Good and The Hatred</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just recently I discovered various videos of Dawkins, Hitchens and Dennett on YouTube  (surrounding the AAI). They echoed opinions that are similar to mine and are quite harsh in their views on religion. I rediscovered this stance for me just recently again after a long time on hiatus. Now my experience is this: arguments on [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just recently I discovered various videos of Dawkins, Hitchens and Dennett on YouTube  (surrounding the AAI). They echoed opinions that are similar to mine and are quite harsh in their views on religion. I rediscovered this stance for me just recently again after a long time on hiatus. Now my experience is this: arguments on the &#8216;crimes&#8217; of religions and their negative views are often met with justifications and relativizations; It is suggested that a position as mine is driven by hatred and intolerance.<br />
<strong><br />
There is the old question: How much tolerance for the enemies of tolerance?</strong></p>
<p>Also recently, I found a documentary on the German church-critic <strong><a title="External link" href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karlheinz_Deschner" rel="nofollow external">Karlheinz Deschner</a></strong> (unfortunately not in English yet). It was titled: “the Hatefilled Eyes of Karlheinz Deschner”. The documentary is some kind of meta-discussion on his body of work which is, alas, not yet available in english, either. He basically wrote for 30 years, alone, on the <em>“Criminal History of Christianity”</em> in 10 Volumes (!) — currently writing the tenth and last one. Hopefull the whole is translated when he is done.</p>
<p>The title “the Hatefilled …” is a quote of one of the Christian interviewees, who also appears in regular public TV sometimes. It reflects how some of the other Christian participants think. They are quite obsessed in trying to find a reason for Deschners engagement, trying to pull <em><a title="External link" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem" rel="nofollow external">Ad Hominem</a></em> Arguments against him. Deschner on the other hand is a rather gentle (very) old man, speaking softly and supports his work with tons of supportive evidence. He will probably not witness how his work is received and it may appear to him that it happens what the other side wants: that his book just collects dust (one of the christian interviewee says so).</p>
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<p>The editor of his works states that when discovering all the lies, the blood and gore, the torture and extortion, how Christian church supported a great many of the big totalitarian systems in europe, someone like Deschner is the voice of the countless victims and being scandalized at this is a natural reaction. I think so, too.  Perhaps this is to be expected, really.</p>
<p>It is impossible in post-war Germany to look past piles of corpses and stay cool about it. The other causes and perpetrators have been identified and brought to justice, yet the Church and the religion are not only around — No, they are chipper and are happily talking about their values and their Christian love as if nothing ever happened. Nobody ever enters an objection. It sounds like their whole religion brought just peace, love and harmony.  Not only that — they behave as if this is obvious.  By asking for evidence, or god forbid, entering an objection, they are outraged.  In the video they even go as far and claim that Christianity was in resistance against the fascistic regimes in Italy and Germany (there is pretty strong evidence to suggest that this is not true).</p>
<p>This is, in my view, the reason Atheists are bullied into a defensive stance, polite,  rejecting the belief but silently agreeing to their benevolent religion made of golden honey and sunshine that always fought for the good and the love. And this seems fairly harmless on the surface, I guess.</p>
<p>But, there is no possible way to be cool about that. There were very interesting comments from the Christian interviewees. One says bascially: humans are evil. They need a god that watches over them and keeps them in check, e.g. Yaweh, etc, etc.</p>
<p>My own action plan is therefore:</p>
<ul>
<li>Restore or correct historical facts of religious authorities</li>
<li>Highlight the fact that so many &#8220;Christian&#8221; groups fought hard and bitter against humanistic improvements and only when their opponents succeeded and it was widely adopted, Christians would adopt and assimilate this view as if it was their own from the beginning. Poverty, Slavery, Fascism and so forth. Hundred years into the future, the Christians (fanatics) will claim they always wanted equal rights for gays and women.</li>
<li>Christianity is NOT solely about love and values. The human rights are superior and were established against the church, not with their help or consent.</li>
<li>Beating them in their own game: it is morally unacceptable that anyone  (God, Spirit, Demon or Human) tortures human beings for an eternity for nefarious reasons (like disbelief). This is not okay. It is frankly absurd, and also rather hideous in concept. Supporting such a cause is evil and morally dubious at best, methinks.</li>
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<p>Once this is done and the skewed, brainwashed views are refuted, there is room for the alternative: <strong>humans are good</strong>. They like each other without any supernatural agent looking over them or keeping them in check. They have developed values out of their inherent compassion. They are <strong>good people</strong> who learned gradually how to treat each other with respect how to wield arguments over weapons and use (serious) reasoning to settle disputes. Some ideas, political and religious can overwrite their inherently good nature — we know that. This is, to me, the main difference between (some) religious people, especially of the Abrahamitic religions and being nontheist.</p>
<p>If someone wants to be a Christian, or indeed, even if someone wants to be a racist or whatever, in the public sphere, they are protected by free speech. But the so-called values of Christianity or any other religion really, need be challenged, and vigorously so!</p>
<p>I will, if possible, I will try to find sub-titles somewhere. The film is from 1998. <img src='http://blog.leagueofreason.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>A plea to theists: well I guess it is too late for you</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 01:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Aught3</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the greatest ironies in life is watching theists try to reason about moral philosophy. The mess of contradictions produced makes for some laugh-out-loud reading and can be terrific fun to unpack. Working through this kind of fractal wrongness can also help us to clarify our own moral reasoning and shows us why secular [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the greatest ironies in life is watching theists try to reason about moral philosophy. The mess of contradictions produced makes for some laugh-out-loud reading and can be terrific fun to unpack. Working through this kind of fractal wrongness can also help us to clarify our own moral reasoning and shows us why secular morality is superior to that of the religious.Exhibit A is Rabbi Moshe Averick’s <em><a title="Permanent Link to A Plea to Atheists: Pedophilia Is Next On the Slippery Slope; Let Us Turn Back Before It Is Too Late" href="http://www.algemeiner.com/2011/08/29/a-plea-to-atheists-pedophilia-is-next-on-the-slippery-slope-let-us-turn-back-before-it-is-too-late/">A Plea to Atheists: Pedophilia Is Next On the Slippery Slope; Let Us Turn Back Before It Is Too Late</a></em>. I’ve picked out a few of the major problems and given my response to them.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline"><strong>Subjectivity</strong></span><br />
Averick’s main beef with atheistic morality is that is subjective:</p>
<blockquote><p>“For the atheist, morality is simply a <em>word</em> that is used to describe the type of system that an individual or society subjectively prefers. Each society establishes, maintains, and modifies its values to suit its own needs.”</p></blockquote>
<p>While some atheists do see morality as subjective there are also moral philosophies based on facts and a shared understanding of reality (i.e., objective). Rabbi Averick also thinks it is a problem that moral philosophy can update itself as new arguments are made and accepted. As someone who works in the sciences I am comfortable with knowledge improving as new facts are discovered and new ideas developed. There will be setbacks, aberrant paths that are found to be wrong, but on the long view a gradual improvement is continuously made. In modern social democracies can we really doubt that we are better off today than in the past? We have more freedoms and more rights than ever before. This is not the result of mere subjective whims that happened to go the right way, but a recognition that some actions of the past (e.g., slavery) were wrong and should no longer be permitted in our society. Dogmas, on the other hand, do not update and are stuck in our less enlightened past.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline"><strong>Peter Singer</strong></span><br />
Averick spends a significant chunk of the article attacking Peter Singer for his views on consequentialist utilitarianism. Which is an <em>objective</em> moral system. The Rabbi doesn’t seem to recognise that his criticism of moral subjectivism doesn’t apply to Singer but he continues regardless:</p>
<blockquote><p>“Singer went on to explain that he is a “consequentialist.” For the benefit of the philosophically challenged let me explain “consequentialism” in a nutshell: If you <em>like</em> the consequences it’s ethical<em>, </em>if you <em>don’t like</em> the consequences it’s unethical<em>.</em> Thus, if you enjoy child pornography and having sex with children it’s <em>ethical,</em> if you dislike child pornography and having sex with children it’s <em>unethical.</em><em>”</em></p></blockquote>
<p>What Singer’s philosophy actually entails is the evaluation of harm that results from an action. Utilitarianism considers happiness to be desirable and harm to be deleterious. This means that when assessing an action for its morality you should look at the consequences in terms of the people harmed and the people helped. So if enjoying child pornography and having sex with children <em>harms</em> someone then it is unethical. Since paedophilia often has traumatic effects on the child involved, their parents, and the wider community Singer would most likely find most cases of paedophilia morally wrong. So much for the slippery slope argument.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline"><strong>S.P.A.G.</strong></span><br />
Averick claims that since we resulted from slime (or from dust if you are Jewish, I guess that’s better?) that means we are morally bereft. The fact that we evolved from primates does not degrade humanity. It is thrilling to think that all species on this planet are interrelated though the process of evolution. What makes humans different, more significant than our jungle dwelling relatives, is our ability to reason. When we exercise our unique intelligence we get to make our own decisions about meaning, value, and morality. Atheists aren’t handed their morality from on high, we have to think about it, and thanks to evolution we have that ability. After spending most of the article decrying the ability of secular philosophers to reason about ethics, Averick engages in the most dishonest part of the article. He simply throws out a bunch of ethical rules without giving any justification for his claims.</p>
<blockquote>
<ul>
<li>All men are created in the image of God and are therefore inherently and intrinsically precious.</li>
<li>All men have been endowed by God with unalienable rights and among these are the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.</li>
<li>Thou shalt not murder.</li>
<li>Thou shalt not steal.</li>
<li>Thou shalt not bear false witness.</li>
<li>Thou shalt not commit adultery, incest, or bestiality.</li>
<li>Thou shalt not have sex with children, and if you do you will be looked upon as a disgusting and contemptible criminal and will be treated as such.</li>
<li>Thou shall teach these laws to your children.</li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
<p>Fortunately, we can recognise the source for some of these claims, and they don&#8217;t come from a god. The ones about unalienable rights are from the American <em>Declaration of Independence</em> and the rules about murder, stealing, perjury, and adultery are from the <em>Torah</em>. These moral rules aren’t from God but from the men who wrote the documents. But where do the other bits and pieces come from? Since Averick hasn&#8217;t demonstrated God is the moral author, we have to conclude they come from Averick himself. The Rabbi simply prefers it to be the case that paedophilia is immoral and so claims that it is a divine command. This is merely Self-Projection As God. After spending an entire article railing against subjective morality we find that the only justification Averick has is that he just feels paedophilia is wrong (and God agrees with me!) Unfortunately for Averick the main point of his article is that atheism leads to paedophilia. It is rather easily countered by the mention to two religions: Catholicism and Islam. Both of these theistic beliefs have managed to rationalise and accept (respectively) the sexual molestation of children. If theistic societies are also capable of accepting paedophilia then Averick’s point is moot and it seems that God does not totally agree with our hapless Rabbi on the immorality of pedophilia.</p>
<p>Irony, it’s everywhere.</p>
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		<title>Religion and support for torture</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 10:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Aught3</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[An interesting paper in the Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin details the conflicting influences of religion on support for torture. The researchers tested several possible relationships between these two factors including the influence of other variables such as education level and political conservatism. I found the results fairly surprising, let me know what you think. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting paper in the Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin details the conflicting influences of religion on support for torture. The researchers tested several possible relationships between these two factors including the influence of other variables such as education level and political conservatism. I found the results fairly surprising, let me know what you think.</p>
<p>The data collected was from two surveys taken in 2004 and 2008 asking 983 and 1,893 people respectively. The first effect looked at was the direct relationship between religion and support for torure. The researchers found a negative correlation on this point. That is, a religious person was less likely &#8211; on average &#8211; to support torture. This was described as an organic influence, something about the precepts of religion and opposition to torture were simultaneously appealing to the survey respondents.</p>
<p>However, the authors had also expected a discursive influence of religion and torture because of the popular view that religion and conservative politics &#8216;go together&#8217; in the US and conservative politics lead to support for torture. When they separated out the progressive and conservative respondents, the moderating impact of religion was overwhelmed and a strong positive relationship between religion and support for torture was observed. A discursive relationship is one that arises through common perception, such as an ideological framework. Compare this to an organic relationship caused by innate features which people may not be consciously aware of. To show the three part relationship between religiosity, conservatism, and torture the researchers looked at one final factor: education level.</p>
<p>The authors of this study reasoned that conservatives with higher education levels would hold more consistent political views. Those with less education would be more likely to follow the common, organic, threads even if they were inconsistent with their stated political position. The data were consistent with this hypothesis showing conservative religious people who were highly educated were even more likely to support torture. So there we are, being religious is negatively correlated with supporting torture but being educated and politically engaged is positively correlated with it, at least if you are a conservative.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Malka and Soto (2011) <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=The%20Conflicting%20Influences%20of%20Religiosity%20on%20Attitude%20Toward%20Torture">The Conflicting Influences of Religiosity on Attitude Toward Torture. Personality</a> and Social Psychology Bulletin.</p>
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		<title>Science vs religion: the effect of education</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 08:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A new sociological study of UCLA undergraduate students has been getting some play in the sceptical blogosphere. Since it relates to some previous blog posts I have written on the LoR I thought I would go through it. Basically, a UCLA organisation called the Spirituality in Higher Education Project (SHEP)1 surveyed the religious opinions of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A new sociological study of UCLA undergraduate students has been getting some play in the sceptical blogosphere. Since it relates to some previous <a href="http://blog.leagueofreason.co.uk/science/science-vs-religion/">blog</a> <a href="http://blog.leagueofreason.co.uk/reason/science-vs-religion-are-they-incompatible/">posts</a> I have written on the LoR I thought I would go through it. Basically, a UCLA organisation called the Spirituality in Higher Education Project (SHEP)<sup>1 </sup> surveyed the religious opinions of the first-year population on campus. They then followed up with another survey of juniors to identify opinions influenced by several years of higher eduction. The study in question (Scheitle, 2011) focuses on the students’ perception of the relationship between religion and science.</p>
<p>Students could choose between four options to describe their view on this relationship.</p>
<ol>
<li>Conflict – I consider myself on the side of religion</li>
<li>Conflict – I consider myself on the side of science</li>
<li>Independence – they refer to different aspects of reality</li>
<li>Collaboration – each can be used to help support the other</li>
</ol>
<p>Categories three and four were lumped together into a &#8216;non-conflict&#8217; answer.</p>
<p>Of this sample 83% of the students were religious. Unsurprisingly then, this means that 86% of the respondents went with non-conflict (69%) or sided with religion (17%). That leaves 17% non-religious students, 14% of whom sided exclusively with science. Given the large proportion of Christians in the US and that most are not of the fundamental variety, meaning they will have their science and eat it too, this seems a fairly straight-forward result.</p>
<p>Interestingly by their junior year, 73% of those who had originally sided with religion had come to adopt a non-conflict or pro-science position. This shift perhaps reflects the secularising effect of education. However, 47% of those who had originally picked science had also shifted their position. Not as large of a percentage of those who changed from a pro-religion stand-point but a substantial proportion of students. Even when the researcher looked into the data for only science students, the moderating effect of education was still present. Apparently, learning more about science decreased the view that science and religion were in conflict.</p>
<p>What I would have liked to be able to look at is the detailed data for both the independence and collaboration viewpoints instead of having them lumped together in a single category. If it’s correct that more education promotes a more secular viewpoint I would expect to see the ‘independence’ category increase. Whereas if education was actually supporting religion, I would expect to see a growth in the number of students picking ‘collaboration’. With the data in their current form, it’s impossible to make such judgements.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<ol>
<li>SHEP is funded by the Templeton foundation; any true sceptics will now hum the Jaws theme.</li>
</ol>
<p>Scheitle, C. P. (2011) <a href="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1468-5906.2010.01558.x/abstract;jsessionid=7B04C9D603498AB7DA1E6EE5E12EAB17.d01t02?systemMessage=Wiley+Online+Library+will+be+disrupted+21+May+from+10-12+BST+for+monthly+maintenance">U.S. College Students’ Perception of Religion and Science: Conflict, Collaboration, or Independence? A Research Note.</a> <em>Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion, 50</em>(1), 175-186.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[A recent speech by the current Pope, in Britain, where he links atheism and Nazism has caused some controversy in the blogosphere and in our own forums. The Pope spoke of “a Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society” and went on to express concerns over “aggressive forms of secularism”. This is such [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11332515">A recent speech</a> by the current Pope, in Britain, where he links atheism and Nazism has caused some controversy in the <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/09/the_pope_has_landed_immediatel.php">blogosphere</a> and in our <a href="http://forums.leagueofreason.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=5784">own forums</a>. The Pope spoke of “a Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society” and went on to express concerns over “aggressive forms of secularism”. This is such a common trope in debates that I wanted to take an entire blog post to explain what I see as the gaping flaw in this form of argument. What I want to discuss is the way atheism and theism should be properly related to religion and ideology and why it is incorrect to set up atheism as the counter-position to religion.</p>
<p>Atheism, at its most inclusive, describes anyone who has no belief in gods. From even this basic understanding, it is remarkably difficult to see how atheism could be expected to produce any action from an individual atheist. There is no causal line from the absence of a single belief to any other belief or action, be it good or bad. Even explicit atheism (the denial of gods) does not imply any further belief or action. If we say this for atheism, in order to be consistent, we must also say this for theism. Theism (the belief in gods), as a single belief, does not entail any other beliefs or actions by the individual theist. A theist may believe in the philosopher’s god, a non-interventionist god, Allah, the trinity, or a whole pantheon of pagan gods. But even these basic beliefs about the nature of gods are additional to the initial claim of theism, not derived from it. Taking the example of the Thirty Years war, the Pope would have us blame theism for the conflict. However, given both sides of the conflict were theists this conclusion makes little sense. The true dividing factor was the different religions, Catholicism and Protestantism, which each side maintained.  My contention is that while atheism and theism are blameless in the great atrocities of history, ideology and religion <em>should</em> be held to account.</p>
<p><span id="more-1584"></span>Ideologies and religions are not single beliefs but whole <em>belief systems </em>and as such can serve as powerful motivators for individuals. While each belief in the system may not be cause for action, the combination of various beliefs produces stimulus for the individual. A single belief in the existence of Hell does little to motivate a person unless further beliefs such as the nature of sin, the possibility of salvation, and a divine overseer are part of the overall belief system. Nazi Ideology, to take the Pope’s example, is a powerfully motivating belief system. What gave the Nazi party its appeal in post WWI Germany was its staunch conservatism and a resistance to the liberal direction of the Wiemar republic. The Nazi’s were anti-communistic, anti-atheist, anti-homosexual, anti-immigrant, and anti-semetic. While not necessary a Christian movement, the Nazi party endorsed Christianity and, in turn, received support from the more conservative Catholic and Luthern churches. The Catholic church even assisted in tracking down those of Jewish descent by opening its records on marriages and births to the Nazi party. While there were Christians who opposed Nazism the record of Christianity in Germany is one of acquiescence and support rather opposition or resistance.</p>
<p>Taking the historical record of Christianity in Hitler’s Germany and applying the Pope’s recent “reasoning” we should conclude that theism is to blame for Nazism. Note that this would not only include the denominations of Christianity that supported Hitler but also those who objected to Nazism. It would also include Muslim and Hindu theists who had nothing to do with the atrocities. The Pope’s “logic” would also have us blaming the Jewish theists who were aggressively persecuted by the Nazi regime! This conclusion is rightly considered ludicrous as it lacks all subtlety by failing to distinguish between those guilty of the crime and those victimised by it. This is the gaping flaw I wanted to identify. It is not theism or atheism that is to blame for Nazi Germany but primarily the ideology of Nazism and secondarily the religions of Catholicism and Lutheranism.</p>
<p>What we all should realise is it religions and ideologies that are to blame in these historical atrocities not individual beliefs. In the case of the Soviet Union it was a type of Marxism, not atheism, which was the problem. During the Thirty Years war it was types of Christianity which were the problem, not theism. In Hitler’s Germany it was a type of political movement and on 9/11 it was a type of Islam. In no way is either atheism or theism to blame for these devastating events. One final point, I think we atheists contribute to this misperception by setting up atheism in opposition to religion &#8211; this is a mistake. <em>Theism</em> is the opposite of atheism and we should make this point clear in all our communication on the subject. We should also reserve our criticism of the historical record for the ideologies and religions that are at fault, and not try to extend this critique to cover all types of theism.</p>
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		<title>Oh Censorship, when will you learn?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 12:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the Internet. &#8220;Woah! Slow the fork down! What does that mean?&#8221; It means that when you try to get someone&#8217;s opinion removed, instead of constructing a mature response, said opinion will come back with force. There is no bullet to the head of popular internet content. It appears, it thrives, and if it [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the Internet.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Woah! Slow the fork down! What does that mean?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>It means that when you try to get someone&#8217;s opinion removed, instead of constructing a mature response, said opinion will come back with force. There is no bullet to the head of popular internet content. It appears, it thrives, and if it suspiciously disappears, memefication occurs. Yes. Memefication.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine</em></p></blockquote>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">Many moons ago, a YouTube user named <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/DannyMendlow">DannyMendlow</a> posted a comical advertisement parody entitled &#8220;Religion!&#8221;. You can tell where this is going, can&#8217;t you? The video became hugely popular, making Pharyngula and other blogs if I recall correctly. I can&#8217;t remember exactly how long ago it was originally posted, but I&#8217;m willing to wager that it was quite some time as I&#8217;ve seen this video all over the place.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">I&#8217;m sure most of you are familiar with Digg. It&#8217;s a website designed to direct people to popular internet content. By Digging something, you increase its ranking on Digg, increasing the likelihood that it will be brought to the attention of the Digg massive.</span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="font-style: normal;">DannyMendlow&#8217;s video was Dugg (Digged?) to the extent that it reached the front page. Let me make this abundantly clear: that means the video in question was well liked by a large number of people, who felt that others should see it. By some magic shortly after its arrival on the front of Digg, the video was pulled by YouTube as being &#8216;inappropriate&#8217;. Stupidity abounds at the YouTube HQ (which I have on good authority is manned by a crack team of ducks) because the only thing inappropriate about the video is that it&#8217;s so depressingly true. Yesterday, DannyMendlow reposted the video for the first time, and in my opinion it deserves support. I urge you to head over and favourite/rate/comment the original. Oh, and why not Digg it too? Enjoy&#8230;</span></em></p>
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		<title>Science vs. religion: are they incompatible?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 09:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Aught3</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[One question that frequently confronts the New Atheists (especially those with a science background) is whether a religion and science are incompatible. The stock answer is that many religious leaders accept science as a good way to understand the natural world and conversely, many scientists have a religious faith (Ken Miller and Francis Collins come [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One question that frequently confronts the New Atheists (especially those with a science background) is whether a religion and science are incompatible. The stock answer is that many religious leaders accept science as a good way to understand the natural world and conversely, many scientists have a religious faith (Ken Miller and Francis Collins come to mind). In a <a href="http://www.leagueofreason.co.uk/science/science-vs-religion/">previous blog post</a> I talked about how sociological research had revealed that about half of American scientists are able to both perform cutting-edge science and maintain a religious identity. An even larger proportion is still interested in matters of spirituality despite daily engaging in rational, empirical inquiry.</p>
<p>These facts show there is, at least, a kind of ‘brute compatibility’ between science and religion; a single person can hold both ideas simultaneously. However, the obvious counter to ‘brute compatibility’ is to point out that in certain cases the findings of science conflict with specific religious claims about the nature of the world. For example, if you claim that the world is 6,000 years old, science says you are wrong. According to empirical data, the world is more like 4.5 billion years old and anyone who says the scientific evidence shows otherwise is simply mistaken. Because science can only conflict with specifically defined religious claims, I call this ‘specific incompatibility’. Although this type of incompatibility is important, and probably accounts for a large proportion of science’s moderating impact on religion, it does not completely contradict all types of religious claims. Again, this answer is too superficial; the original question is asking something more fundamental &#8211; are religion and science incompatible at the deeper, <em>philosophical</em> level?</p>
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<p>Here we must start with a rigorous understanding of the exact nature of science, its epistemological limits, and the assumptions it makes. First science assumes that the universe exists and is, broadly speaking, observer independent. This assumption avoids the problem of solipsism, where I could construct an argument based on the idea that the universe is simply a figment of my (hyperactive) imagination. The second assumption brings in causality, scientists must assume that causes and effects are empirical (observable and measurable) and, more importantly, natural. That these causes must be empirical is fairly self-explanatory. If we cannot observe and measure we cannot draw any inferences, offer any explanations, or say anything at all about them! Basically, we would not be able to <em>do</em> science. Less clear might be why science can only approach natural causes rather than supernatural ones.</p>
<p>Let’s use an example to help highlight the problem of supernatural causes. A nice set of evidence for evolution is that of the fossil record. Without going into too much detail, the arrangement and transitions of different fossil types is empirical evidence for evolution occurring in the real world (the universe <em>out there)</em>. However, along comes a supernaturalist, and he to us “yes, I agree with your observations and measurements of the fossil evidence, however God (or other supernatural cause) made it so the fossil record <em>appeared</em> to support evolution but in reality the theory is wrong.” This is a serious and unsolvable problem for science and it can be applied to any other explanation or conclusion derived from methods based on the two assumptions above. If supernatural causes occur, the best of verifiable, empirical science will frequently give the wrong answer. If God (et al) always makes the observed and measured evidence <em>look like</em> it is supporting the wrong conclusion no appeal to empiricism can save a scientific theory – by definition. This is why science must reject supernatural causation and become methodologically naturalist at the outset. Without this assumption we would not be able to <em>do</em> science.</p>
<p>Methodological naturalism, therefore, means that science cannot ever make a judgment on supernatural claims. Science assumes that supernatural causes don’t exist and gets on with its job of figuring out the observable universe. As religion, for the large part, is based on such supernatural claims (God caused the universe, Karma causes ill luck, Boobs cause earthquakes) science has very little to do with the majority of religious assertions. I call this ‘philosophical compatibility’, as an understanding of the philosophy of science shows that science and religion are not in conflict. I accept that in specific cases religious claims may contradict with the findings of science and in those cases religion is wrong, but we can always take the step back to the philosophical level and show that such ‘contradictions’ may not be problematic if we allow for supernatural causes.</p>
<p>There’s one last level I want to discuss and that is ‘metaphysical incompatibility’. Working from science and its assumption of methodological naturalism one might take the eminently reasonable position of philosophical naturalism – supernatural forces positively do not exist in the real world.  Note that this is not a scientific position but a metaphysical one, albeit one informed by scientific understanding. Science is insufficient to get us to philosophical naturalism, the move also requires reason and logical arguments (examples would include the argument from suffering of which I am fond). Philosophical naturalism is in clear contradiction with a metaphysic infused with religious supernaturalism. There is also a secondary incompatibility at this level but Feynman said it best so I’m going to turn the last word over to him:</p>
<blockquote><p>“As a matter of fact, the conflict is doubly difficult in this metaphysical region.  Firstly, the facts may be in conflict, but even if the facts were not in conflict, the attitude is different.  The spirit of uncertainty in science is an attitude toward the metaphysical questions that is quite different from the certainty and faith that is demanded in religion.  There is definitely a conflict, I believe – both in fact and in spirit – over the metaphysical aspects of religion.”</p></blockquote>
<p>And that is the heart of the science/religion incompatibility in a nutshell.</p>
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		<title>Countering &#8220;The Narrative&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 00:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Aught3</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A recurring phenomenon in the spate of Islamic terror attacks has been that the perpetrators are often citizens who turn on their own countries. Mjr. Hasan&#8217;s attack on Ft. Hood in America being a prime example. A recent 60 minutes documentary purports to explain how peaceful Muslims can be turned into fanatical extremists willing to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A recurring phenomenon in the spate of Islamic terror attacks has been that the perpetrators are often citizens who turn on their own countries. <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/">Mjr. Hasan&#8217;s attack on Ft. Hood</a> in America being a prime example. A <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO2FhdLvPxA">recent 60 minutes documentary</a> purports to explain how peaceful Muslims can be turned into fanatical extremists willing to engage in suicide attacks on the very countries they live in.</p>
<p>Recruiters for these fundamentalist Islamic organisations rely on &#8216;the narrative&#8217;, a collection of stories, conspiracy theories, propaganda, and outright lies that claims the USA and the rest of Western civilisation is trying to eradicate Islam. This set of stories has been propagating wildly since the terrorist attack on the World Trade Centre and appeals not to the poor and needy, but to prosperous and educated citizens who make foreign countries their home. Consider <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Atta">Mohamed Atta</a>, the leader of the WTC attacks and educated at universities in Cairo and Hamburg. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Sidique_Khan">Mohammad Sidique Khan</a>, leader of the London metro attacks, educated at Leeds University and prior to the attack was holding down a steady job. Or the would-be Times Square bomber, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal_Shahzad">Faisal Shahzad</a>. He holds double degrees from American universities, had a good job, a wife, and a nice house in the suburbs. These are the faces of Islamic terrorism in the West.</p>
<p>Even though there are many instances of Western governments defending or supporting Muslims in Bosnia, Somalia, Kuwait, Pakistan and Indonesia (disaster relief), Iraq and Afghanistan (overthrowing tyrannies) belief in the narrative remains strong. This set of beliefs is also being successfully exported to Western countries, with tragic results. Hatred of those who kill Muslims is encouraged yet, despite the fact that deliberate suicide bombings by Al-Qaeda kill more Muslims than drone attacks by American forces, adherents to the narrative still direct their hatred towards the West and their support towards terrorist organisations. The narrative includes the idea that the US government actually encouraged Al-Qaeda to carry out the attack on the WTC as a justification to invade Afghanistan &#8211; these fundamentalist Muslims are apparently 9/11 truthers.</p>
<p>Funded by the oil revenues of the Arab states, political Islamism is attempting to spread itself across the globe by going to war with any opposition. Having seized control of many regimes in the Muslim world, Islamists are enlarging the area they control. Conflicts between Muslims and other local populations in Russia, Indonesia, India, North Africa, Europe, and the USA show they have been extremely successful in spreading their ideology and bringing the fight to us. According to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maajid_Nawaz">Maajid Nawaz</a> (a former Islamic radical) of the <a href="http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/">Quilliam Foundation</a>, countering the narrative is the most important aspect to preventing the spread of Islamism. I would add that moving away from an oil-based economy and ending the cozy relationship with Saudi leaders would also help by cutting off the economic backing of this dangerous, and deadly, movement.</p>
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		<title>Science vs. Religion</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 10:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Aught3</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A sociological survey by Prof. Elaine Howard Ecklund of Rice University has asked a sample of 1,700 scientists from top tier American universities about their view on religion. Perhaps surprisingly, a large proportion (50%) did claim a religious identity. The scientists in this survey were less religious than the general population, 52% said they had [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A <a href="http://caliber.ucpress.net/doi/abs/10.1525/sp.2007.54.2.289">sociological survey</a> by Prof. Elaine Howard Ecklund of Rice University has asked a sample of 1,700 scientists from top tier American universities about their view on religion. Perhaps surprisingly, a large proportion (50%) did claim a religious identity. The scientists in this survey were less religious than the general population, 52% said they had no religious affiliation compared with only 14% of the American population. A greater majority (65%) say they are interested in matters of spirituality. Ecklund has recently published a book discussing her research called, <a href="http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/Sociology/Religion/?view=usa&amp;ci=9780195392982">Science vs Religion: What Scientists Really Think</a>.</p>
<p>Around 300 of these scientists (both religious and non-religious) were followed up in more in-depth interviews. Many scientists had the view that religion was not a topic for discussion amongst their colleagues and chose to keep their faith hidden. Others had unorthodox views of religion &#8211; not believing in God while still identifying as a catholic, for example. Only 2% identified their beliefs as &#8216;fundamental&#8217; or &#8216;evangelical&#8217;. The best news was that none of the interviewees though intelligent design (creationism) should be taught in classrooms.</p>
<p>Interestingly, the results of this survey indicate that learning about science does not seem to cause people to lose their religious beliefs. Most of these scientists had already come to their religious point of view before engaging into higher education. The biggest predictor of a scientist&#8217;s religion (or lack thereof) was still the religion of their parents.</p>
<p>I think this survey has revealed some heartening information about the scientific community (at least in USA). Scientists that are also religious already understand the tensions between science and faith, and how to resolve them. These religious scientists are also more likely to be accepted into faith-based communities and have the best chance of imparting good scientific information. As long as they are not to scared to &#8216;come out&#8217; to their colleagues, there is a great opportunity for some useful dialogue in the science vs. religion debate.</p>
<p>Ecklund, Elaine and Christopher Scheitle 2007. ‘Religion Among Academic Scientists: Distinctions, Disciplines, and Demographics.’ Social Problems 54: 289–307.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#8217;s a riddle for you.* Is it better to have flexible, socially contextual morals that may dip below what many people view as laudable behaviour as a result of free will and personal choice . . . or is it better to have a uniformly high moral standard followed, in part or even in whole, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a riddle for you.*</p>
<p>Is it better to have flexible, socially contextual morals that may dip below what many people view as laudable behaviour as a result of free will and personal choice . . . or is it better to have a uniformly high moral standard followed, in part or even in whole, as a result of fearing the perceived consequences of <em>not</em> following it?</p>
<p>Of course, you might say that I&#8217;ve used Wordification to bias the issue somewhat &#8211; and because I have no higher power to feel accountable to I&#8217;m perfectly happy to lie, and say that I didn&#8217;t bias the point in the slightest.</p>
<p>The question, I suppose, is how worthy or altruistic can a high moral standard be truly taken to be when it&#8217;s prescribed rather than acquired? It becomes little more than Utilitarianism if your moral compass is constantly aware that behaving immorally will result in hell, or a few lost brownie-heaven points from God. You&#8217;re not acting morally, you&#8217;re just protecting your own skin &#8211; which is exactly what <em>I </em>would do, of course.</p>
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<p>Clearly the issue is fiercely complex after even a cursory glance. Because so many moral codes adopted by secularists could, likewise, be viewed as contextual to the consequences of breaking these same codes. If there was no judicial system with which to label certain acts as wrong, and mete out appropriate punishment, I highly doubt the society in question would remain in moral stasis. I&#8217;m happy to say that I&#8217;d likely have done, or tried to do, entirely unwholesome things without the restraining hand of Authority hovering over my balls. Theists may have their fear of God to instil a sense of morality; atheists may have their fear of getting touched up in jail. It&#8217;s just as self-serving.</p>
<p>Of course, the spectrum of morality and immorality operates in realms oft untouched by law; the way you think, they way you treat other people, the little things. A moral stance affects all subtle aspects of your life, not just your unwillingness to kill a guy and then stave in his hips with a pensioner. Let&#8217;s take the time I stole £20 from someone in a fast food joint. I walked in and saw the note on the ground by the man&#8217;s feet. He&#8217;d clearly dropped it and was now waiting, an ignorant score lighter, for his burger. I very briefly wondered if I should tell him, but then I decided not to. I stood next to him, my boot on the note so he couldn&#8217;t see it, until he left. And then I picked it up. Why?</p>
<p>Because I like money, because I&#8217;m selfish, because I don&#8217;t have a conscience that feels bad about such things. There was no legal consequence to my action that I had to fear; the only possible consequence was being discovered, and I felt I could talk my out of it if needs be. I acted in a way that many people might consider immoral, because my morality &#8211; under the umbrella of legality &#8211; is flexible. Clearly, I don&#8217;t think I would just start knifing babies in the chin if murder was legalised. I think I would feel bad. I may not grant the notion of objective morality any time at all, but I can grant that there are trends and broadly universal immoral acts, and judicial consequencialism (what an amazing phrase &#8211; I hope I didn&#8217;t just make it up) is not the single dam holding back a tidal wave of human sludge. There would be shifts, of course, and a rise in violence and theft, but not everyone would realise that they wanted to break laws just because the laws no longer existed.</p>
<p>What if someone religious was in my place, someone with a highly defined and apparently objective sense of morality? Let&#8217;s assume they do what we all know the right thing is &#8211; pick up the money and give it to the guy. Bravo! Except, why have you done this? Is it because your morality has been painstakingly constructed, over many years, by exposure to myriad different situations and modes of thought? Or is it because you think that not doing it will get you a disapproving stare from whatever deity you call home? And this is only assuming that we&#8217;ve found one of the theists who actually <em>follows</em> their own arbitrary objective morals, to the letter, without questions. As we all know from our sojourns through Youtube, religiously inspired morals and codes tend to be as flexible as their secular counterparts. Lying is fine, it seems, if you&#8217;re lying for Jesus.</p>
<p>Allow me a brief bit of poetry. Would you rather be in a hotel which locked from the outside or a barn that locked from the inside? Give me the freedom to plumb whatever depraved and lustful depths I see fit, and I&#8217;ll do it as a free man. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave you with <a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/georgepitcher/100025043/religious-people-do-have-a-clearer-moral-code-than-secularists/" target="_blank">this</a>. It&#8217;s pretty infuriating, of course. Highlights include:</p>
<p><em>&#8216;Cherie Booth wasn’t saying that religious people are morally superior to others. She was saying that, as a religious man, he should know better.&#8217; </em>Well, that pretty much IS saying that religious people are morally superior, if she is granting them the power to know right from wrong when a non-religious man apparently would &#8211; the reasonable inference suggests &#8211; NOT be capable of knowing better. No, only the mystical and nebulous power of !Religion! can instil the ability to Know Better.</p>
<div><em>&#8216;Do adherents to a major faith have demonstrable, objective and tangible standards of behaviour towards others enshrined in their religious traditions, to which they can and should be expected to aspire because they are accountable to their divine authority, that are not so prescribed by secular authorities? Yes.&#8217;</em></div>
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<div>NOW MY BRAINS IS COMING OUT</div>
<div>I especially like the lack of citations given, when <em>I</em> could &#8211; for example &#8211; point to the majority of Youtube fundamentalists as tangible proof for moral bankruptcy in the face of their own belief system. I wonder why people so often think that secular morals are going to be radically different from theistic ones.</div>
<div>Give me that barn over the hotel any day. It might be draughty, but I&#8217;d fix it up real nice, and &#8211; best of all! &#8211; you can hold orgies in <em>my </em>metaphorical domicile. Anything goes as long as you don&#8217;t be killin&#8217; folk.</div>
<p>*Not actually a riddle.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the most common rebuttals I face, generally from well-meaning friends, is the old chestnut: &#8220;Why do you care? What&#8217;s wrong with religion if it doesn&#8217;t directly affect you? Why can&#8217;t you leave people alone?&#8221; This stance neatly condemns any attacks on &#8220;soft&#8221; theism/deism whilst open-endedly permitting criticism of religion that does directly affect me, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the most common rebuttals I face, generally from well-meaning friends, is the old chestnut: &#8220;Why do you care? What&#8217;s wrong with religion if it doesn&#8217;t directly affect you? Why can&#8217;t you leave people alone?&#8221;</p>
<p>This stance neatly condemns any attacks on &#8220;soft&#8221; theism/deism whilst open-endedly permitting criticism of religion that <em>does</em> directly affect me, or people in general.</p>
<p>I am constantly at pains to sculpt my position with the utmost clarity. I don&#8217;t like religion. I don&#8217;t like unfounded beliefs that have more in common with delusional fairy tales than a rational response to the universe; similarly I am compelled to wax vitriol against beliefs in the supernatural, in the pseudoscientific. But as far as religion goes, I am restrained.</p>
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<p>People often assume that I&#8217;m <em>un</em>restrained, the kind of person who would cheerfully punch an old lady if she was wearing a crucifix. Nothing could be further from the truth. I don&#8217;t like religion, but I can cope with it if I never have to hear about it. More or less by definition, the people I debate and argue with (or &#8220;attack&#8221;, if you want the negative labelling) are the fundamentalists; the irrational, outspoken children of whatever God or Gods they follow. If you&#8217;re a 65 year old vicar with a flock of hens as your parish, the odds are slim that I&#8217;m going to come to your door and demand you explain the quote mining of Darwin. But if you approach me in the street with your beliefs, tell me I&#8217;m going to hell, support the death penalty for apostasy, preach unscientific nonsense and generally act like a dick &#8211; you&#8217;re fair game. I refute the people who make the noise, not the people who quietly pray and leave their religion inside their own heads. When was the last time I accosted a stranger on the street and asked them if they&#8217;d considered atheism? Well, it&#8217;s <em>never</em> happened. My stance is reactionary. </p>
<p>Surely that&#8217;s fair enough? If you lie and harass people, spread inflammatory bigotry and lie about what is patently true . . . aren&#8217;t we free to call such people out on their actions, if they&#8217;re impinging on other people? But of course we all know about that side of things. I&#8217;m not really aiming to discuss that right now.</p>
<p>The thing is that, despite my live and let live attitude toward &#8220;soft&#8221; theism, people who quietly worship in their own way, I <em>do</em> care. As soon as you think about what a religious belief entails &#8211; the notion that an invisible being not only created everything, but guides it, and also speaks to you in your head and you can talk back <em>despite absolutely no positive proof </em>- isn&#8217;t that uncomfortably close to not only delusion, but insanity? Somehow, billions of people have devised a truly frightening psychosis that is lauded rather than questioned, a delusional state not even given a second thought despite being kissing distance from madness. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s been said before by better folk than I &#8211; sanity in numbers. What is believed by one person is madness, when believed by a few hundred it&#8217;s a cult, but at some nebulous point the threshold is crossed; culthood becomes a religion, madness becomes a fiercely protected way of life. Think about what is <em>is</em> to follow a religion. And think about how you would react if you discovered a friend, or just a co-worker or colleague, believed in something bizarre:</p>
<p>everyone is made of chocolate on the inside but as soon as you get cut or x-rayed it turns to regular flesh</p>
<p>an invisible hat runs the universe, and the hat talks to you</p>
<p>We are fortunate to live in a society where the gentle insanity of religion is tolerated; it&#8217;s for precisely this reason that religion <em>isn&#8217;t</em> seen as delusional, because there is little societal friction and no demand to explain yourself. People walk down the street thinking things that, should they exist in isolation, would lead potentially to medication and possibly incarceration. Hundreds, thousands of infants have their genitals mutilated in sanctioned religious barbarism. If an isolated family was discovered to be cutting the ears of new-born males with razors, how shocked would public reaction be?</p>
<p>So even if you are a gentle village vicar with snow-white hair, I care. I&#8217;m affected. Because you are delusional, and in a very real (if specific) sense mentally unwell. Something has gone wrong with your brain, and it&#8217;s only the society we live in that allows you to think everything is fine when equally nonsensical beliefs would be considered potentially harmful if taken in isolation. </p>
<p>Sounds bad, doesn&#8217;t it? Sounds sweeping and cruel and generalised. But when you realise that believing in God is simply a more complex version of a child&#8217;s imaginary friend, doesn&#8217;t it seem strange . . . the extent to which these beliefs are left to run free? </p>
<p>I keep quiet. I hold my tongue when I see someone wearing a crucifix or a yamulke, if they&#8217;re not disseminating. But I can no more ignore the implications of religious faith (or faith in mediums, or astrology, or homeopathy) than I can ignore the implications of someone who is convinced that the world is actually run by reptilian aliens. <em>Those</em> people are considered cranks. Why are you a balanced person if you quietly believe in God?</p>
<p>The final thing is this: religions provide succour, provide comfort. This is clearly true, and one of the foundations of the &#8220;Why do you care?&#8221; argument . . . yet I believe in nothing but the beauty of the universe, see morals as nothing more than social constructs, see no purpose or fate beyond that which we create for ourselves, and I don&#8217;t need comfort from God. I&#8217;m not even a particularly well balanced person, and I&#8217;m fine by myself. For every person that gains comfort from religion, there&#8217;s someone like me who doesn&#8217;t need it &#8211; and someone else who is confused and conflicted by their faith. I may as well argue that playing guitar provides comfort so everyone should do it.</p>
<p>I can stand to leave you alone if you believe quietly. I can respect how you may need it, or think you need it. But, as strangely Christian as this may sound, I&#8217;m worried for you. Because you believe in stuff that isn&#8217;t there, and brother, that be a whole pile of no good.</p>
<p>I think such morally sanctimonious mealy-mouthed sentiments signal the end of this.</p>
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